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Graybeard

Graybeard

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1 day Feb 20, 2018
**earnings per UNIQUE can't edit the thread title?

I got this whale that has been buying cam shows to the tune of $9318.7751 in MY rev-share in 2017 (last year) -- that means he bought over $30,000 in webcam shows last year -- congrats Greg you made me :) this morning "^," (y)

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
 
One of my top whales
My top 10 on just one cam site in 2017
MY Earnings
$9,318.78
$2,858.45
$959.12
$838.30
$722.94
$576.27
$492.43
$468.18
$427.64
$336.74

I have been successfully selling Adult Webcams since 2002
But -- most of these customers were acquired in the past few years.
In any business customer attrition is a real issue -- customer churn is the term used -- customers come and go.

The webcam business has become commoditized IMHO. Split camming ( showing on several sites simultaneously ) has caused much customer migration.

NSFW! www.xmedia.stream my new ICF whitelabel if anyone is interested in getting into the webcam business as an affiliate -- hit me up. I know all the cam programs and have worked in the past for some of the cam sites in administrative and consulting capacities.

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
 
What is traffic really? A number -- a click?

In adult you have limitations on traffic sources -- AUP often excludes any porn or explicit offers.

Just because you think you have traffic you may not have the right traffic or, in many cases, your traffic is click-bots or adblocker traffic. Qualified human traffic is not that hard to convert. However, click-bots or adblocker traffic is rarely converted.

I am working on a program to buy adblocker from advertisers and publishers DIRECT for my own use.

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
 
Few years ago I've made an account with awempire and Chaturbate and "tried" to promote them. My method was simple. I was doing adult dating in western europe and when someone clicked my LP a popunder was open with the cam offer. In two weeks I didn't have a single registration (I tried registrations not rev share). It didn't hurt my adult dating offer CR but didn't make any money with the cam offers so I remove the popunder.
I don't remember how I choose these offers to promote, but I don't think I did too much research, it was more a "throw shit at the wall and hope something sticks" approach after seeing a screenshot like yours :)

lorenzo, Feb 20, 2018
 
Graybeard said:
1 day Feb 20, 2018
**earnings per UNIQUE can't edit the thread title?

I got this whale that has been buying cam shows to the tune of $9318.7751 in MY rev-share in 2017 (last year) -- that means he bought over $30,000 in webcam shows last year -- congrats Greg you made me :) this morning "^," (y)

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
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i just have to tell you congratulations, this looks good, but to be honest, i don't really understand what you are promoting, do you mind sharing some more details of this?

Sanshez, Feb 20, 2018
 
Congratulations Graybeard. Well done.

Sanshez,

I have been also promoting cam sites. I am mainly creating blogs, tube sites embedding videos from other sites like PornHub and aiming to get organic traffic from Google.

I promoted many different sponsors, but cam sites from CrakRevenue, namely MyFreeCams and Streamate are converting and Chaturbate is still going strong, but you have to test them because it is hard to tell which one will convert best with your traffic.

webjohn, Feb 20, 2018
 
@lorenzo I don't think cams can be seriously promoted the way you were going about things.

On the average a cam customer is going to make you $200 / yr

A pop-up is just an afterthought.

I worked for a (unamed) cam company that did extensive pop up/under traffic on tubes like 50K to 100K+ pops a day. About one free signup per 15K to 30K pops was the norm -- that was not a conversion however maybe 1 out of 100 free signups might eventually buy.

As I indicated above^ many of these customers are relatively new. So what is the deal here?

  1. New punters/players are joining cam sites and spending money?
  2. or, Existing customers are making new accounts and I am reaping the benefits at another's loss?
Truthfully, I don't have an exact answer only assumptions based on what I have heard said from senior management of cam companies :eek:

IMO you need to make your own creatives, parse the cam site XML/JSON feeds. It is the old 80/20 most fail as in all things. There is no thing as easy money unless you
  • inherit the money; or,
  • have a good day but are really a flash in the pan
Q. what was the conversion rate on the primary dating offer of yous -- were you satisfied with it?

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@Sanshez

Adult webcams is $2.00 to $4.00 a minute in private with a webcam performer or in many cases 'a secret naked web cam friend'. What they do in private is their business, capisci -they are consenting adults.

The other business model such as Chaturbate, MFC and some others is a freemium business model. Open explicit chat with tipping in tokens for 'favors'.

That is what we are talking about. Adult Webcams is a 2 billion dollar? a year industry ... Some pro camgirls are reputed to make a few hundred thousand dollars a year. There are no publicly listed webcam sites, as far as I know now, so there are so public SEC disclosures (in the USA anyways)

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
 
If there is no publicly listed webcam sites, how can an affiliate find them?

Xero, Feb 20, 2018
 
No, that is not what i meant -- there are no public stock companies (listed in the USA now)
You cannot buy registered stock shares on and stock exchange.
Any speculation as to the cam site's actual revenues is speculative -- there are no audited financial reports that are public.

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
 
Graybeard said:
@lorenzo I don't think cams can be seriously promoted the way you were going about things.

On the average a cam customer is going to make you $200 / yr

A pop-up is just an afterthought.

I worked for a (unamed) cam company that did extensive pop up/under traffic on tubes like 50K to 100K+ pops a day. About one free signup per 15K to 30K pops was the norm -- that was not a conversion however maybe 1 out of 100 free signups might eventually buy.

As I indicated above^ many of these customers are relatively new. So what is the deal here?

  1. New punters/players are joining cam sites and spending money?
  2. or, Existing customers are making new accounts and I am reaping the benefits at another's loss?
Truthfully, I don't have an exact answer only assumptions based on what I have heard said from senior management of cam companies :eek:

IMO you need to make your own creatives, parse the cam site XML/JSON feeds. It is the old 80/20 most fail as in all things. There is no thing as easy money unless you
  • inherit the money; or,
  • have a good day but are really a flash in the pan
Q. what was the conversion rate on the primary dating offer of yous -- were you satisfied with it?

=====================

@Sanshez

Adult webcams is $2.00 to $4.00 a minute in private with a webcam performer or in many cases 'a secret naked web cam friend'. What they do in private is their business, capisci -they are consenting adults.

The other business model such as Chaturbate, MFC and some others is a freemium business model. Open explicit chat with tipping in tokens for 'favors'.

That is what we are talking about. Adult Webcams is a 2 billion dollar? a year industry ... Some pro camgirls are reputed to make a few hundred thousand dollars a year. There are no publicly listed webcam sites, as far as I know now, so there are so public SEC disclosures (in the USA anyways)

Graybeard, Feb 20, 2018
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Thanks for this buddy, this is insightful for real!
 
Unfortunately, the traffic was all SEO for many years. Getting traffic that way is like pulling teeth today. I redesigned that website for the 3rd time in 9 years and each new customer from the SEO cost me over $600 when I consider my time -- so I really lost money that way :(

So, I am building other affiliate cam sites and have a new white label and am starting back up with a new face and revised approach to traffic. Twitterbots, ads and search is a lesser consideration.

Actually, I have a new API cam site of my own in the planning stages. Cam models will not need the typical broadcast webcam site any longer. I am reaching out and replacing my own business model.

This is part of my build out of the 'Intention Economy' Doc Serles 2012 if you have not read the book.

Like they say: Yesterday's heros are tomorrow's shitheads. Never forget that ;)
 
Whales are few and far between, I have 'harpooned' a few. And few last that long ... After all how many guys will maintain spending a thousand or more a month on camgirls? I look at their revenue as gravy ...
 
Got some whales too for awempire. Got one going strong for the past few years. The guy spends at least 10k/year and has been doing so for years now.
Imagine if i would have taken the PPS sh*t LOL!

Been doing porn since 97, then went mainstream.
Guys, ALWAYS go for revshare.

Tip #2, build a whitelabel site. Why? You will be able to flip it a few years later for huge bucks!
 
Huh? 15 years of work, aggravation and a bit of luck thrown in ... Most of our successes come the hard way -- at least mine have mostly, Ashley.

Learn to code APIs to parse the cam site feeds and make dynamic websites. Or, learn to work the affiliate network thing buy ads and convert offers.
 

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