Can you make money with 'no-cookie' traffic?

[Graybeard]

Too many affiliate programs are tracking traffic with cookies still.

I get it: 15% to 30% of an affiliate's referrals will refuse to accept a persistent (+ days, months) cookie so the return referral commission is not going to ever happen, and if it does, you (the affiliate) have worked for free branding the product and increasing it's brand awareness --without any compensation.

I can test my traffic if it accepts cookies ( albeit maybe session only) modern browsers will accept persistent cookies then delete them when the browser is closed. I do this, with exception of the websites I want to allow cookies to be stored for (logins and banks, server-hosts, etc).

Suggestions where to send cookieless traffic. Sign-ups maybe topical to be relevant to the original search or traffic ads?

Better that just sending them into a blackhole --rather than giving them away as free traffic.

 

[T J Tutor]

Server to server tracking seems promising as, at the least, a possible partial solution to tracking events. Two of the affiliate programs I'm in are integrating some of this now and I am seeing some data clarity with it. The issue for me is I haven't seen the independent trackers begin to implement this model yet and not sure if it is feasible for them. I think some of the networks have begun testing these implementations.

FB has been preparing for this. Facebook has developed CAPI to allow advertisers to share data directly from their server, rather than through a browser, to bypass the loss of cookie-tracking allowed in the browser. I know Google announced something similar for when they throw the switch.

 

[Graybeard]

I know how the affiliate problem could be corrected --it's just a risk free shave to leave it like it is and
. ¯\_( ͡❛ ͜ʖ ͡❛)_/¯ no mia culpa it was the user's browser.
at some point it will cause a general business decline as the epc goes down.

What I am looking for is a easy sale/conversion on the first call for this traffic.

You can't (legally) fingerprint users with the new privacy standards as they become fully deployed.
Facebook Conversions API (CAPI) is not directly related to CPA and payment for sales conversions --it's to do with advertising tracking and remarketing

 

[T J Tutor]

it's to do with advertising tracking and remarketing

Yeah, I just thought this could be expanded to other parts of the funnel by the networks, affiliate program providers, and tracking providers.

 

[Graybeard]

Well ya could

<?php
// /var/www/html/.../ track_ipV6.php
//MIT license (gift charity-ware code)

$ip = ($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']);
/*
//test static ips:
$ip="209.100.99.50";
*/
echo "$ip =_SERVER <P>";

if  (preg_match("/:/", $ip)){ echo "yes ipV6<BR>";
        $i = (explode(":",$ip));
                $trackid = "$i[0]$i[1]$i[2]$i[3]";

                echo $trackid ."<P>";

                $cid = substr(preg_replace("/[A-Za-z]/", '', $trackid), -9);

                echo $cid ."<P>";
        }else{
                echo "$ip is ipv4<p>";
                $cid = substr(sprintf("%u", ip2long($ip)), -9);
                echo $cid ."<P>";
        }

But then you can't shave with the slippage

this code tracks multiple devices on a wi-fi also (4G and 5G too? IDK)
ipV6

the code creates a 9 digit tracking id
//comment the echos
you will get a $cid variable to use (customer ID code) add this code to a log on your server
and add this number to your CPA referrals
(&cid=123456789&) and it will be reported in the referral URL on a dashboard or s2s.

**thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

 

[T J Tutor]

thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

I wonder how this formula compares to wat the networks and current tracking platforms have been working on.

 

[Graybeard]

Well, if I refer a customer with a ID tag and and affiliate ID's the seller of goods could add some other tags like city, state, country code into a database and if that user was using that same IP the database could be queried and matched at 85%+ surety it was the same referral even if the original cookie was not present. Slippage is 15% -30% of all affiliate revenues not paid. So you can either pocket the added profit of raise the percentage. What do you think they will do. This is nothing new. Inaction is profitable --until the conversion ratio for affiliate looks real bad --then it s too late probably to fix.

AI Says:{"newText":"Well if I refer a customer with an id tag and and affiliate id's the goods the seller could put some other tags like city, state, country code into a database and if that user uses the same ip the database could be queried and matched with a confidence level of over 85%, it was the same recommendation even if the original cookie was not present. Slippage is 15%-30% of all unpaid affiliate earnings. So you can either rake in the extra win or increase the percentage. What do you think they will do. This is nothing new. Inaction is profitable - until the affiliate conversion ratio looks really bad - then it's probably too late to fix it."}

 

[Graybeard]

How it works:
Tracking the clicks between my domains today--
orid=516014933<<tracking number based on the above code

root@localhostparagon-server:/var/www/html/xxxxxx.com/public_html# grep 'orid=516014933'
/var/www/html/xxxxxx.com/logs/access.log

xxxxxx.com - 2a01:cb04:a28:7a00:112c:b87c:15fd:a463 - 141071 - 0.005 - -
[02/May/2022:19:57:00 +0000] - "GET /overview.php?yct=108162156890&orid=516014933 HTTP/2.0"-
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Chrome/100.0.4896.127 Safari/537.36"- 200 6702
"https://refer.xxx.tld/911/?a=418050-PC&scc=595615&ytc=108162156890""-"--

xxxxxx.com - 2a01:cb04:a28:7a00:112c:b87c:15fd:a463 - 141039 - 0.000 - -
[02/May/2022:19:57:01 +0000] - "GET /img/war2022.webp HTTP/2.0"-
"Mozilla/5.0 (WindowsNT 6.3; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Chrome/100.0.4896.127 Safari/537.36"- 200 87890
"https://xxxxxx.com/overview.php?yct=108162156890&orid=516014933""-"--
xxxxxx.com - 2a01:cb04:a28:7a00:112c:b87c:15fd:a463 - 141123 - 0.041 - -

[02/May/2022:19:57:01 +0000] - "GET /img/man-4207514_640.webp HTTP/2.0"-
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Chrome/100.0.4896.127 Safari/537.36"- 200 50702
"https://xxxxxx.com/overview.php?yct=108162156890&orid=516014933""-"--

 

[Graybeard]

And here are the results:
I bought some ads and passed them from the ad server domain to the 'target (CR)' domain

1. I analyzed the value of 3 traffic networks using the same creative and similar traffic as noted *
2. I accessed the cookie 'slippage' (no cookie you are screwed = no $#$$)

This does not account for cookie deletion for getting paid on a return visit --that HAS to be higher.
Some browsers block 3rd party cookies like Google-Analytics and Facebook uses --so that might influence the 'no-cookie' situation in real life.

TY for coming to my Ted Talk (</end>)​

 

[Graybeard]

Always something new on the internet:

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non-essential huh?