Longhorn/Vista Beta 1

[stealthhosts]

For those who would like a preview of the latest windows iteration:

http://www.stealthhosts.com/stealthhosts_longhorn_vista1_beta1.JPG

If you would like to know anything about the OS then let me know.

 

[Duke]

Is it better than XP?

Does it use more resources than XP?

Is it another online varification install limited to one computer?

 

[stealthhosts]

I won't answer if it is better or not as it is in beta, therefore it's not even a release candidate.
It looks nice and follows on from the XP theme rather than radically changing it. It's pretty stable for a beta but is VERY memory hungry.

In a virtual machine it needs about half a gig of ram to run like anything other than a pile of poo. Stick it on real hardware with 2GB DDR and it seems pretty happy and boots up nicely.

256MB of RAM is a minimum requirement but I would say that anyone using it on a machine with specs like that better have a lot of patience.

 

[Duke]

Well hopefully they do a lot of optimizing between now and release because there will be a lot of unhappy gamers should this hog system resources.

 

[temi]

Lewis,
Is this the server or workstantion? Any significant improvement over XP ?

 

[stealthhosts]

This is the workstation version, I have just finished installing the x64bit version as well, that runs a lot better.

Duke, I would imagine that thi will really be aimed at dual-core CPU's like the X2, we have just ordered a couple so when they arrive I would imagine that this would perform very well.

on a sidenote temi, did you sort out that stuff we were talking about via pm?

 

[stealthhosts]

With regard to improvements over XP, remember it is still a beta!
The menus are brilliant, much better order of things, a bit more like the mac/unix filesystem (slightly) as well as file preview in the right-hand pane. I'll post some more screenshots when I get a sec. If there is anything in particular people would like to see then I will try my best to screenshot them.
When the WinFS filesystem is implemented I would imagine that the search functionality would be greatly improved although it is still a really nice feature built into the start menu. Basically, you start typing a program name and it auto-completes and you press enter to open that application/file.

 

[stealthhosts]

forgot something else as well.....

IE7 is really nice, very secure with regard to script execution, tabulated browsing is something that should have ben included a long time ago but there are plugins for IE6 that allow tabs.
I have had the IE7 beta for sometime on XP and it seems like the version in longhorn has been locked down quite considerably. It isn't obvious though in a sense, you don't need to do any config with it.

A simple colour coding system has been implemented which warns of un-secure sites or invalid SSL certificates. a Nice loading bar has also been aded.

Duke, there was no online verification (or none that has yet instantiated anyway). A simple product key and the iso was all that was required. Install time of both the 32bit and 64 bit is LONG though, DVD's are 2.24 GB and it took around 4 hours to complete each installation.

Outside of the virtual machine it was much quicker (although it did have the full 2GB DDR associated to it).

I think thats all the questions answered?!?

 

[Pentarix]

IMHO they're just jumping on the tabbed bandwagon with IE7 because of Firefox and a little to late at that. I'll not be using Vista, I'll just keep my pirated XP Pro copy as it won't require half a gig of ram to run it.

 

[Duke]

It would be cool if Vista had a hibernation feature though when using other software.

 

[stealthhosts]

my mantra, I will excercise restraint

IMHO they're just jumping on the tabbed bandwagon with IE7 because of Firefox and a little to late at that. I'll not be using Vista, I'll just keep my pirated XP Pro copy as it won't require half a gig of ram to run it.

"I will excercise restraint, I will ex......"
Jumping on the firefox bandwagon? um... tabs...yeah...try two years before firefox. Safari and Opera were both tabulated before firefox and thats just from the top of my head

You won't be using vista? So when XP becomes the 95 of the era, you will still be there watching the hamsters inside, turning the wheel of power?

Keep your pirated copy, I'm sure it makes you 1337!

Vista (as stated) requires 256mb of RAM, it just doesn't perform too well in a VM. In addition, it's a BETA and therefore is still unmanaged raw code.
At the point of building a release candidate (RC1+) the code will be compiled as optimised code which will reduce install time and mean that archives will be built and uncompressed on the fly as the OS is run, meaning quicker OS ops.

Anyway.... "i will excercise restraint...."

 

[temi]

I like your "i will excercise restraint...." I need to say that to my self over and over again too

 

[stealthhosts]

~If I could find the blush smiley I would use it lol :blush:

 

[Pentarix]

"I will excercise restraint, I will ex......"

ooook, Microsoft fanboy are we?

Jumping on the firefox bandwagon? um... tabs...yeah...try two years before firefox. Safari and Opera were both tabulated before firefox and thats just from the top of my head

ya ya, firefox, safari, whatever, they're still jumping on the bandwagon. Funny how you didn't address that point.

You won't be using vista? So when XP becomes the 95 of the era, you will still be there watching the hamsters inside, turning the wheel of power?

nope, not until I can afford 3 gigs of ram to run the POS. Tell me how it's any better then any other OS out there? Because it's more of a resource hog? Because it's got cooler looking transparency? Because "FINALLY tabbed browsing is in IE7!!"? Naw I'll pass.

Keep your pirated copy, I'm sure it makes you 1337!

No offence but are you 12? Comments like these are very narrow minded. I hardly consider having pirated software as making me 1337, I'm just not stupid enough to hand over my hard earned money for an overpriced, buggy OS.

Vista (as stated) requires 256mb of RAM, it just doesn't perform too well in a VM. In addition, it's a BETA and therefore is still unmanaged raw code.
At the point of building a release candidate (RC1+) the code will be compiled as optimised code which will reduce install time and mean that archives will be built and uncompressed on the fly as the OS is run, meaning quicker OS ops.

Great, awesome, enjoy!

Anyway.... "i will excercise restraint...."

I think you failed in this regard.

 

[stealthhosts]

ooook, Microsoft fanboy are we?

Obviously you don't read my other threads, I am actually an OS 'fanboy' I think that each OS has a valid place to live. My preference for desktop is MAC/XP, Server is Linux/BSD but thats neither here nor there, in short, no I am far from a microsoft fan.

ya ya, firefox, safari, whatever, they're still jumping on the bandwagon. Funny how you didn't address that point.

Either make an informed point, or don't bother! I agree that they were not the first, however that wasn't the point originally made, was it?

nope, not until I can afford 3 gigs of ram to run the POS. Tell me how it's any better then any other OS out there? Because it's more of a resource hog? Because it's got cooler looking transparency? Because "FINALLY tabbed browsing is in IE7!!"? Naw I'll pass.

3Gb RAM? - what planet are you on? You want to know why it will be better? WINFS, far more unix-like and thereby secure. Restricted permissions by default that must then be elevated to wheel access (as in NIX). The tabs (as stated) are on IE7, not longhorn. I think you are detracting from the point

No offence but are you 12? Comments like these are very narrow minded. I hardly consider having pirated software as making me 1337, I'm just not stupid enough to hand over my hard earned money for an overpriced, buggy OS.

Heh, I am not 12 no and don't worry, I take no offense. Speaking of childishness though, those who feel the need to announce to the world that they run illegal software do not strike me as being mature adults -hence my point-
So, by your own admission.......you would rather pay nothing and have a buggy OS? perhaps you would do better paying nothing and having a very stable os? Flick over to unix, it will be the best software you have never stolen.


So, now what? If you like, I'll give you FTP for mandrake, SuSe, Solaris, NetBSD, FREEBSD, Knoppix, RHL, Fedora, OS2 or, I tell you what, seeing as you don't like expending resources (and paying) I could give you my four dos 6.22 disks.

EDIT - removed a comment I shouldn't have added

And to add: This started off as a thread to show people the new OS, not to get into the endless microsoft debate that really boils down to personal choice. If you want to get into a debate on the merits of the new OS, perhas a seprate thread? I will be happy to debate it with you as I have personal opinions based on usage within the industry.

 

[Duke]

At the end of the day there's only four key elements that truly matter to me in using any OS:

- ease of use
- security
- ample remaining resources
- stability

If the new Windows OS has these features then I may give it a try. This of course assumes that Microsoft doesn't decide to charge $500 or $600 per license. I ended up purchasing Windows XP Home Edition because I felt that PRO was way too much money for the majority of extra features that I'd rarely (if ever) use.

BTW, I didn't see it mentioned here, but is Vista likely to split up as XP did into Home and Professional versions as well?