Looking for affiliate manager - Wellness products research

[marcege]

Hello, thanks for any pointers! I am new to affiliate marketing, but I see the potential of networks. I'm looking for someone who understands how it really works to work with - as an affiliate manager or some sort of partner. My new site is live right now, but I know it could be so much better!

Here's the niche I'm exploring. It's for skeptics and also believers in non-prescription health and wellness products. I'm a long-term research scientist myself.

I'm running a research study on the actual effectiveness specifically of health products for which FDA does not evaluate claims. Study participants can buy these products by clicking through, so I get the affiliate commission, and then end-users can report back on their health. Eventually, the goal is that we can build up a unique database on the effectiveness of products in real-world conditions.

I'm happy to share commissions with anyone who can help me raise a network. Anyone who buys health products - skeptic or believer - can do so through the auspices of this research study, and help contribute to scientific knowledge.

"The Great Wellness Experiment" is up at the dot com domain I registered, which is GiftExperiment

Where do I go to seek help like this?

Be in touch in this thread, or reach out another way, you can find contact forms etc. at GiftExperiment

Thanks all!
Marc

 

[T J Tutor]

Hello, thanks for any pointers! I am new to affiliate marketing, but I see the potential of networks. I'm looking for someone who understands how it really works to work with - as an affiliate manager or some sort of partner. My new site is live right now, but I know it could be so much better!

So, let me understand. Forums, like this one, had hundreds of thousands of members to ask questions and to learn from, but you expect one person is the answer to achieving your results. Why one person when there are many other perspectives to cull?

Here's the niche I'm exploring. It's for skeptics and also believers in non-prescription health and wellness products. I'm a long-term research scientist myself.

Have you validated the market, geos, and demographics to use for a baseline of building a business around?

I'm running a research study on the actual effectiveness specifically of health products for which FDA does not evaluate claims. Study participants can buy these products by clicking through, so I get the affiliate commission, and then end-users can report back on their health. Eventually, the goal is that we can build up a unique database on the effectiveness of products in real-world conditions.

So you have built an affiliate site. That's why you are here. You want to be a successful affiliate. That is the goal we all share. Being successful affiliates.

As for your niches, well those are simply the wellness and nutra niches. When you are an affiliate, learn to think like an affiliate. When you are a researcher, that's when you think like a researcher. They DO NOT overlap.

I'm happy to share commissions with anyone who can help me raise a network.

Nobody is interested in sharing commissions and it isn't a prospect for you here. That would be taking a "cut in pay" for any of us.

As for "raise a network", what exactly does that mean?

and help contribute to scientific knowledge.

Not really our thing. We here, and any other affiliate "haunts", are looking to get in the affiliate game, establish a reliable and stable business, and structure a growth model. Contributing to science is not where we earn, we earn by learning, implementing, scaling, and repeating the process.

"The Great Wellness Experiment" is up at the dot com domain I registered, which is GiftExperiment

Where do I go to seek help like this?

Be in touch in this thread, or reach out another way, you can find contact forms etc. at GiftExperiment

Marc, we appreciate where you are with all of this, as well as where you may be at with it. Many others have come into this industry with a similar model in many different fields for progressing forward, but overlapping the intentions of science and business as you propose will not serve you. You did not get your knowledge in the sciences of wellness and nutra profits by exploring affiliate marketing and you will not learn about and successfully negotiate the affiliates business by trying to entice them with what ever sciences you want them to appreciate.

The affiliate business is what you need to learn. YOU need to learn it, and not from one person. You need to know that we, and other affiliate communities, will contribute to your learning, implementing, and structuring your affiliate business.

Tell us abut the structure of your site. How it was made, is it professional, is it on a VPS or dedicated server, how often is the content updated and how often is new content added?

Have you implemented tracking and purchased traffic for the site. What are your funnels like? Who writes your ad copy, are you using landing pages, do you have relationships with affiliate networks for your offers or are the offers from affiliate programs you have joined? Have you thought about selling ad space as opposed to, or in combination with, network offers and program offers?

Just a few questions to get started. Let's see where this goes!

 

[marcege]

Interesting, thanks!

Skepticism of health products is widespread, as well as valid to different degrees, and naturally inhibits buying. However, when skeptics are given a new reason to buy - some new scientific evidence, or even just an opportunity to help generate that evidence - a new market becomes available.

Sometimes, partners can complement each other - instead of one person learning and doing everything, one person teams up with another person and together something awesome happens.

I know all about the science of skepticism, placebo effects, health products, and research. But I don't know all about setting up the relationships you described - funnels, affiliate networks, and more.

Dunno if anyone's interested, so I posted just in case, in the meantime I'll be learning step by step and 100% for me. But I'd rather have a smaller share of a larger pie, if anyone here knows pie-growing and wants to play along!

 

[Graybeard]

Not me, I don't want a job --but you get the point ...

 

[marcege]

I appreciate the feedback so far - if I get to 10 posts then I can post links?

 

[marcege]

I do get your point, but also, yes and no. Every new venture has some risk, where understanding early lets a newcomer capture a larger share and chart the direction of the venture. And that process inherently needs people who can sync up with the vision - who already see the money (rightly or wrongly), and don't need to be shown.

Some health product claims are more outrageous than others. Can X, Y, or Z enhance your memory or extend your life? Sounds a bit bogus to me. Maybe it's legal, but also it's potentially misleading and also offensive and quite ignorable to flat out claim "X will extend your life." But to say, "Will X enhance your memory? Maybe, but not definitely. So let's find out. more together. Use X and report back, and together we'll all find out." Now, there is a new reason to buy - a sort of plausible deniability that it's not just bogus hope, a dual motive. Something good comes of using the product - even if it's just helping find out that the product is useless.

I'm starting as a marketing novice - and that is a way to go - but just in case anyone likes the framework and sees how to accelerate - maybe I'd share away 90-100% for some time, who knows? That would cost me nothing, and would get me in a good position to keep going.

So if I need to show you the money, it's too late - I have money to show, and probably at that point I'm not posting this notice seeking growth partners in this way ...

All described at GiftExperiment - it's a dot com, I can't post links here because I'm too new!

Much appreciated
Marc

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Not me, I don't want a job --but you get the point ...

 

[Graybeard]

I stick to Limited Partnerships in Oil & Gas Pipelines, LPG tankers, and Oilfield Mineral Rights Royalties these days. A real partner enjoys access to financial data both before and after buying in, holds an equitable interest, and has the right to alienate their share, receiving distributions of profits and their capital at risk. That’s the definition of a partnership. Period.

"Commission jobs" or whatever fancy term you prefer, aren’t partnerships. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

 

[marcege]

I stick to Limited Partnerships in Oil & Gas Pipelines, LPG tankers, and Oilfield Mineral Rights Royalties these days. A real partner enjoys access to financial data both before and after buying in, holds an equitable interest, and has the right to alienate their share, receiving distributions of profits and their capital at risk. That’s the definition of a partnership. Period.

"Commission jobs" or whatever fancy term you prefer, aren’t partnerships. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

Thanks. Partnership in this context could be what you say, or more.

Partners should have mutual respect. And also good faith. Just the right mix of trust and trustlessness, to suit each other. They should be good at "yes and-"ing each other. They should be happy to have found each other, because the partnership is interesting and/or personable as well as aligned profit motives. Partners only need to suit each other, not anyone else!

Just what questions we ask and answer each other, and what terms we work out, is a matter for negotiation, where different people are interested in different things. Who owns what process; who controls the primary domain; who is at risk and in what sense - and, the very process of negotiation can tell each other where our heads are at, and help determine if we are good to work together.

Shared affiliate commissions is a natural way to have profit motives aligned - if someone wants to manage a host of affiliates selling wellness products for the sake of testing those products' claims, then I provide the research and claims testing framework and they manage affiliates. I bring some value, they bring some value, together we multiply each other's value and share the results. If someone is intrigued overall and has a different structure they think would be more suitable, I'd be all ears

If you know of better places to find the sort of partner I'm looking for, your suggestions are most appreciated!

One might never find the right partner, for a particular venture, but one can try...

 

[Graybeard]

Yada Yada Yada.

Managers do not work straight commission if they know what they are doing.

Salary + Bonus,

non-prescription health and wellness products.

99% sham. Not saying money cannot be made --but it's as shaky as it gets.

I'm running a research study on the actual effectiveness specifically of health products for which FDA does not evaluate claims. Study participants can buy these products by clicking through, so I get the affiliate commission, and then end-users can report back on their health. Eventually, the goal is that we can build up a unique database on the effectiveness of products in real-world conditions.

Why the hell would that work --it's all for you and nothing for the study participant.

If you are making these products, or reselling a private label, the study participants should receive these product free so they might help you establish the validity or worthiness of the products.

The marketing proposition is ridiculous and most likely doomed to failure. GET A BETTER PLAN.

Good night Irene

 

[marcege]

Yada Yada Yada.

Managers do not work straight commission if they know what they are doing.

Salary + Bonus,

99% sham. Not saying money cannot be made --but it's as shaky as it gets.

Why the hell would that work --it's all for you and nothing for the study participant.

If you are making these products, or reselling a private label, the study participants should receive these product free so they might help you establish the validity or worthiness of the products.

The marketing proposition is ridiculous and most likely doomed to failure. GET A BETTER PLAN.

Good night Irene

Thanks for thinking it through!

Nothing for the study participant? - Not sure I follow. They buy a thing and then they have it, just like any other purchase. But also they have a small additional thing, knowing they are contributing to research. So it's a marginally better way to buy a particular sort of product, if someone is tentatively in the market for, I don't know, "red light therapy," they are no worse off for buying and getting their product for themselves this way.

Funny thing, I'm primarily actually interested in the results of the research - I think *some* of these products are actually potentially effective in a non-bogus way, but there is no way to find out without running a study, which for many products no one is doing. So I'm doing it! But me as a person, I can't afford to give people free health products. However if people share the costs of the study - just by buying what they want (and keep) through GiftExperiment - then the research can happen.

It might be the best way to buy health products, for some people who have a certain mindset - get the product, and also contribute in a unique way to health research.

I'm quite all right if it's not the most profitable possible business plan - I'm not looking for another plan - but as long as I've gotten all set up for people to click through and buy health products to use and report on, I'm quite happy to hire a manager who gets lots of people into the funnel.

Salary and bonus? I could pay hourly for some work - elsewhere indeed I am posting for hourly help - but I don't exactly have an extra salary-amount of money sitting around to pay out. So on this messaging board, I'm looking for people who have mastered the finding of managing affiliate networks. Work together and share profit in more of a partnership, rather than get paid hourly to help me things up and then disappear keeping no percentage.

Now, if someone knows they can efficiently optimize my affiliate commission process, get done in hours what will take me weeks or months, then they will see how our interests are aligned and they can find me!

And if no one does, okay, I can live with that.

appreciated all,
Marc

 

[Graybeard]

Nothing for the study participant? - Not sure I follow. They buy a thing and then they have it, just like any other purchase. But also they have a small additional thing, knowing they are contributing to research.

Forget it --waste of my time. </end> They don't give a shit.

 

[marcege]

Forget it --waste of my time. </end> They don't give a shit.

Hey - it would feel like a waste of time to a lot of people, no worries. It's a niche - open-minded skeptics, "biohackers," people who sense the potential for science and devices to improve lives but not seeing appropriate research. People on the fence about buying some health device, now having one more reason. People who appreciate marketing that is not blindly 100% positive, but like messaging that acknowledges skepticism and probabilistic results in a clear-eyed way, and provides a forum for transparent feedback on actual health results.

No matter how many people this describe, it's still probably not most people. Which is fine with me - a niche in this large world is more than enough for a few people to explore.

Many people I supposed are closed-minded ("no new fangled device is gonna help me no matter what you say") or don't think there is anything to learn worth learning ("I already know the way to go, it's X and Y but never Z"), or are happy enough to uncritically believe whatever marketing slogan they see ("I already know fish oil improves my eyesight, it says so on the bottle.") Could be good people, but not the target audience for this particular project - it's a niche.

thanks for providing this forum!

 

[T J Tutor]

You have presented thousands of words about the niche(s) as you see them, but you have not responded to the marketing, funnel, and business questions and statements I asked and posed to you. Either you want to learn affiliate marketing or not. Defending your proposal and your niche(s) are inconsequential if you cannot address the marketing and business questions and statements I made. We are available to help you learn to drive traffic, encapsulate a prospect in a funnel. and get them to convert. That is what you MUST LEARN! All the rest is not relevant. Your proposal is not relevant. Why would anyone take a cut in earnings to "partner" with you? THEY WOULDN'T!

I asked again:

Tell us abut the structure of your site. How it was made, is it professional, is it on a VPS or dedicated server, how often is the content updated and how often is new content added?

Have you implemented tracking and purchased traffic for the site. What are your funnels like? Who writes your ad copy, are you using landing pages, do you have relationships with affiliate networks for your offers or are the offers from affiliate programs you have joined? Have you thought about selling ad space as opposed to, or in combination with, network offers and program offers?

 

[marcege]

You have presented thousands of words about the niche(s) as you see them, but you have not responded to the marketing, funnel, and business questions and statements I asked and posed to you. Either you want to learn affiliate marketing or not. Defending your proposal and your niche(s) are inconsequential if you cannot address the marketing and business questions and statements I made. We are available to help you learn to drive traffic, encapsulate a prospect in a funnel. and get them to convert. That is what you MUST LEARN! All the rest is not relevant. Your proposal is not relevant. Why would anyone take a cut in earnings to "partner" with you? THEY WOULDN'T!

I asked again:

Tell us abut the structure of your site. How it was made, is it professional, is it on a VPS or dedicated server, how often is the content updated and how often is new content added?

Have you implemented tracking and purchased traffic for the site. What are your funnels like? Who writes your ad copy, are you using landing pages, do you have relationships with affiliate networks for your offers or are the offers from affiliate programs you have joined? Have you thought about selling ad space as opposed to, or in combination with, network offers and program offers?

"Either you want to learn affiliate marketing or not." - I think my perspective has been pretty clear, from the title of my post to every post since. This thread is not about learning affiliate marketing, though I appreciate the offer. Yes, there are many good resources, including parts of this forum. Yes, anyone can learn anything. But also, there are good reasons to align on business goals with a person, work together and share downstream profits.

Elsewhere, I might well post "please teach me the ropes!" and list out every step I've done, and will be so appreciative for any back and forth.

Here, I'm looking for people who know far more than me, and who might want to team up in some way.

If no one wants to, then simply no one will find me. No need anyone here to yell, curse, express impatience or dismissiveness, right? (I confirmed with an AI such is the tone, if anyone had any doubt).

I don't think I asked anyone to take a cut in earnings ... I'm not proposing taking anything away from anybody, so somewhere is a communication breakdown. That is a little interesting.

 

[T J Tutor]

You are not looking for an affiliate manager. You are looking for someone to do what you do not how to do and it will not happen. If you want to earn as an affiliate, then you MUST learn to be an affiliate. NO EXCEPTIONS. This thread is not working for you. If you want to hire someone, then post your proposal on the Employment sub forum here and follow the instructions in that sub-forum to the letter.

Your number one failure here is you do not accept direction from professionals that do know exactly what you need. You are quite dug in on thinking you know what you need, and you DO NOT! We keep giving you the info you need and you keep shunning us and correcting us. You, as a student, are telling the professionals they are wrong. We've seen this thousands of times.

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