What Popunders Cost Me Today

[Graybeard]

I look at the bottom line really --what a customer costs BEFORE they buy --when you haven't proved out a new offer with any sales payout conversions
If this offer can close(convert) 1:100 --I will have ~$17 in ad cost to get a ~$42 sales pay-out. If he can't close 1:100 he ain't shit and it's time to move on ... we will see
**I am up to 125 and 4 tries at the order form --so maybe the odds will catch up --FYI that's where the 576 number sample comes into play

But these cold ad funnels are gruesome --for everyone

I have fiddled down the end price from about $0.22 to $0.167 only spending $30 at volume (if it will scale) that would be a substantial amount.


This ain't gonna work for SEO

 

[Graybeard]

hard to believe not a sale yet

a lot of action on Landing pages at the moment Where's the BEEF!

 

[Graybeard]

here's the live tracking [every 5 sec update]

Blue text screen is what gets past my bot traps

 

[Graybeard]

Tell you the truth: This offer just sucks

I think it's time to move on he can't sell shit

If you know baseball averages ...
1/6
.166666
2/6
.333333
****************added
10,000+ yielded 187 REAL people for a net of
187/10470
or $60/187 visitors
$0.320855 cost per visitor
after filtering out the 65% bots (popunders) Test w/no conversions to a payout but real people are real people so there is a problem with that offer

 

[Graybeard]

So, starting about Oct 8 till now (Oct 20)

I am going to try another ClickBank *offer* and see if it will convert -- this is 2.5X the offer's payout --I think I am just pissing in the wind on this one.

 

[T J Tutor]

AWESOME INFO!

You are the king analyst brother!

 

[Graybeard]

+

You are the king analyst brother

I said to a friend I spent $1,000 worth of time studying $100 worth of traffic --
On the bright side:
I didn't dump a small fortune finding out that the offer --while an enticing idea --EZBATTERY restore your batteries for life that seemed to appeal

grindex is my algorithm for the clickbank XML
I guess I got fooled again Looked like a winner by the data -- his "Mr. Wizard" presentation did not work that well.
If I did get a return on my time it was some insights into these traffic sources and the operating methods. I think I may have stumbled into some good traffic for gambling and some French language webcam sites ...

even with this image I made the LP just did not pull that well

 

[nutnights]

Can you tell from about your bot trap?

 

[Graybeard]

You mean how it works?

Level 1:

• I have a database I have taken some years to develop
  
• --maybe 2 million IP of datacenters sorted by their AS block assignment ->CIDR addresses 1.1.1.0/24
  
• that is the first trap 403 ->out the door

Level 2:

• Hostname check, bots and proxies return (SERVERFAIL) or (NXDOMAIN) (most not all --US CA EU)
  
• ->no hostname ->out the door

Level 3:

• Javascript redirection -> LP or Offer

 

[tyoussef]

You mean how it works?

Level 1:

• I have a database I have taken some years to develop
  
• --maybe 2 million IP of datacenters sorted by their AS block assignment ->CIDR addresses 1.1.1.0/24
  
• that is the first trap 403 ->out the door

Level 2:

• Hostname check, bots and proxies return (SERVERFAIL) or (NXDOMAIN) (most not all --US CA EU)
  
• ->no hostname ->out the door

Level 3:

• Javascript redirection -> LP or Offer

make sure you add the invisible link as well @Graybeard

 

[chroniczzz420]

hum but traping the bots you still need to pay for the bot costs don't you or the network refunds you?

 

[Graybeard]

bot costs don't you or the network refunds you?

I just raise the actual cost to a real-world value.
I don't have time to argue with anyone dumping garbage --I just dump that traffic source if the *real cost* gets too expensive for real CTRs or page views.

 

[chroniczzz420]

I just raise the actual cost to a real-world value.
I don't have time to argue with anyone dumping garbage --I just dump that traffic source if the *real cost* gets too expensive for real CTRs or page views.

You don't need to get offend man it was just a question. I'm not even trying to argue with you anyways.

 

[Graybeard]

I am not arguing with you LOL
Anyone dumping garbage refers to TRAFFIC BROKERS not you

The whole idea of chasing refunds is a waste of time (usually).

 

[T J Tutor]

The whole idea of chasing refunds is a waste of time (usually).

That's how I see it often, I tend to cut and run after failing to beat the bots with traffic interference of various sorts.

 

[chroniczzz420]

I am not arguing with you LOL
Anyone dumping garbage refers to TRAFFIC BROKERS not you

The whole idea of chasing refunds is a waste of time (usually).

I agree with you man. I'm just not seeing the cheap traffic 0.0005 a click is actually worth it when in reality the traffic cost is actually the same or even more the other main platforms. I would actually rather pay more for good traffic than just junk.

The only advantage I see is that these sources let you run offers that you wouldn't be able to run on most main traffic sources. But I can't even get sweepstake offers to run on zero they keep rejecting saying it's trademark lol.

And by the time you optimized down to profits the volume of the traffic is probably pretty low. Or the CPA networks just decide to stop the campaigns.

 

[T J Tutor]

I would actually rather pay more for good traffic than just junk.

I am a long time supporter of this!

However, I do play around with some of the lesser quality sources for education and exploration purposes. Never hurts to get a set of brains on some of them. I've been surprised with a few that actually came through with some success.

 

[Graybeard]

OK, just a misunderstanding then --all's well

If you cannot buy reasonably good traffic for an offer;

• --there are other possibilities (perhaps)
  
• --social media
  
• --maybe SEO
  
• --and then maybe neither will work.

So, your only recourse is blackhat or porn sites
Even porn can be picky;

• --so we are back to adult traffic brokers
  
• --and again traffic quality issues
  
• --where such offer will be accepted

An endless merry-go-round.

Believe it or not; I am still pondering about this more mainstream traffic and the Clickbank offers used; as well as why the results (the conversions were non-existent) =-LOSS
Small potatoes just $150 or so ...
I was doing a bit of investigating if the state_name.rr.com was still a valid hostname used --it is so .. IDK

1. these are really headless chrome bots on cable modems?
2. the clickbank offers were just 'undesirable' or overpriced?

There are a lot of variables to work out but it all comes down to:
Understanding the people behind the 'traffic' veil and finding dependable offers that convert and report that factually. I'm being 'polite' here